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how to modify styles in Endnote Web

 

I have many protected words in my references, such as "Java." In the system I'm used (BibTex) I would simply protect their capitalization using {Java}.  How do I do this in Endnote Web?

 

I tried changing the style using the Endnote X2 program using the "Leave capitalization unchanged" option, but this doesn't appear to affect the Word plugin.  I thought that perhaps I needed to change the style using the online interface, but didn't see an option to edit my styles.

 

I was reading http://forums.thomsonscientific.com/ts/board/message?board.id=enw-files&thread.id=1 in which a Thomson Reuter person announced that request to change styles must be submitted to the company? That can't possibly be true; so how do I accomplish this?

 

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

Hello gback,

 

At this time, you personally cannot upload or customize your EndNote Web styles. Do you have access to EndNote Web only through a desktop purchase or do you, by chance, also have access through an institutational subscription? If you are unsure about the latter, I can investigate. We do support site-wide customizations so it may be possible to resolve this issue going that route. Also, what style were you using/customizing with EndNote X2?

 

Best regards,

 

- Mathilda Edmunds, the EndNote Web team

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

I am accessing Endnote Web through an institutional subscription. 

 

I am finding, however, that Endnote Web doesn't work correctly, anyway, so I'll abandon my attempt at using it for now (I had given Endnote 7 a try a few years ago, found it severely broken and annoying - in particular with its idea of keeping citation information in local desktop "libraries" that cannot be bundled with the document and shared with collaborators - and thought I give the new web-capable product a chance where the local library weirdness was finally fixed.) Or so I thought, until I discovered that Endnote Web is not the flagship product - that is X2 which suffers from the same annoyances as Endnote 7.

 

On a related note, I found that if you use Chicage Style A in footnote/endnote mode, Endnote Web does not include page numbers for journal-type entries in the reference, even though the record contains them. That's bizarre, and renders it completely useless if I have to enter page numbers manually for each entry.

 

 

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

Pages for journal articles do not need to be cited in a footnote for Chicago A unless you are referencing a particular page or pages for that citation. Otherwise the article pages appear in the bibliography/reference list only. When you do want to cite a particular page(s), you would use Cite While You Write's Edit Citation or @ in the temporary citation. There's a help topic called "Citing Specific Page Numbers in Footnotes" that provides greater detail. If you always wanted pages in the footnote, you would have to edit the style to include them in the footnote template.

 

Regarding your issue with EndNote and bundling the library with a document, EndNote includes a utility called "Export Traveling Library" which was added before EndNote 7. This feature allows other EndNote users to import the references that have been cited in a Word document.

 

Best regards,

 

- Mathilda, the EndNote Web team

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

I'm confused why Endnote places the citation *BOTH* in the endnote *AND* also creates a bibliography. (Which I then have to delete.)

 

The style Chicago A cannot be used without endnotes/footnotes, so it's pretty clear that the list of endnotes *REPLACES* the bibliography. Most journals require page numbers in their bibliography.

 

And remember: you can't change styles in Endnote Web (unless you run your own server, apparently.)

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web


gback wrote:

 

The style Chicago A cannot be used without endnotes/footnotes, so it's pretty clear that the list of endnotes *REPLACES* the bibliography. Most journals require page numbers in their bibliography.

 


The endnote/footnote style for Chicago does ask for both notes and a bibliography (Section 16.3 of the 15th edition). I think maybe the notes *can* replace the bibliography sometimes, but EndNote's Chicago A is set up to comply with the general practice, so both are included.

 

Page numbers in notes are supposed to be to the specific passages of articles that are being referenced. Which EndNote can't add automatically because it doesn't know exactly which passage you want to cite. Whereas in the bibliography, where page ranges are included, they're for the whole work. So the notes can't really replace the bibliography.

 

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

I do not frequently publish in the humanities where this style is used. However, for the specific journal to which I was submitting (ITAL: http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/lita/ital/informationauthors.cfm ) they want Notes according to the 'N:' style in place of the bibliography.

 

At http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html it says: "The humanities style is preferred by many in literature, history, and the arts. This style presents bibliographic information in notes and, often, a bibliography."  It says "often" and not always. In my opinion, both would make sense only for a book (where you have notes at the end of each chapter, and a bibliography), but not for journal articles.

 

Note that while I can remove the bibliography Endnote places, I am unable to remove or fix the notes (and still use Endnote Web's Chicago A style). I end up with notes that don't work as a bibliography unless manually extended. The bibliography Endnote places is useless.

 

What am I missing?

 

 

 

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

Hello,

 

Your information is correct, our style does both the footnote (Note) with the bibliography at the end.  The footnote format of citations for Chicago A wants you to include just the "cited page" of an article.  We have included a function that allows you to manipulate the citation to include the cited pages of a particular article, from within the bibliography.

 

The difference between the "Cited Page" function and the "Pages" function is:

 

Cited Pages are actually inserted from within Word, by using the "Edit Citation" function.  This is a right-click function in Word that allows you to manipulate your citiation by adding to or deleting from the components in the citation.  If you hover over one of your citations in Word, and then click the Right mouse button, you can see the "Edit Citation" dialog.  Select this dialog and click More, here is where you'll enter those "Cited Pages" in the Pages line.  Enter a page number, then click OK and you'll see how the endnote gets re-formatted to include your page number.

 

 

The Pages function, which is a bibliography function, just pulls the page numbers from your library, it doesn't use a specific page number, just the range of pages that were included with the citation that is stored in your library.  Since Chicago A doesn't use the "Pages" function in the Note section, you will have to use the above scenario to add any page ranges you wish to add.

 

Of course if you don't need the bibliography, you'll have to remove it when you complete the formatting of your paper. 

 

Please let me know if you need additional assistance,

 

Sincerely,

 

RSContentAdmin

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

Thanks for your reply.

 

I did discover the option to enter a "Cited Page." I think understand now what Endnote provides.

 

As I said before, this is useless, except perhaps for a long document, say a book, that required both endnotes at the end of each section (with cited pages, individual to each endnote) and a bibliography (with a page range for each reference).

 

May I challenge you to provide just 1 journal article - just provide a DOI - that

 

- uses Chicago Style A and endnote style format

- requires page ranges for each reference, *not* cited pages

- can be created with Endnote Web *as* the product stands. 

 

I do not see how. Certainly, the article for the journal I am submitting to *CANNOT* be created with Endnote (unless I "abuse" the Cited Pages features to enter page ranges, which is tedious and undoes all changes when bibliography entries are updated.)

 

Here is an example of an article that CANNOT: 10.1111/j.1468-5930.2009.00427.x

 

 

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Re: how to modify styles in Endnote Web

Hello,

 

Yes we would be very happy to provide this style.  We can create a style for most any format, we just need the requirements.  Getting them into EndNote Web is a function that your University EndNote Web Admin can take care of for you!  We would just need to coordinate with the person that is serving as your EndNote Web Admin at your local site and then we can customize a style for you based on the guidelines that you noted in your previous post.

 

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