02-13-2013 09:27 AM
I agree with the comments posted thus far on annotation and more flexibility for syncing. On the syncing issue, the way I like to work is to download attachments to my iPad EndNote so that I can read them on my commute. Once read, though, I want to delete them from my iPad (to save space) but not from my PC. As it works now, there is no easy way to do this. I have worked out a very clumsy workaround (i.e. save the pdf from my PC EndNote to my hard disk, delete it from my iPad, remove the reference from my iPad favorites, sync - in which case it is deleted from my PC, and then re-attach it to my PC EndNote reference). A flexible syncing setup should be able to address this and the other issues raised on the forum.
All in all, though, a very welcome app that works pretty well.
02-13-2013 10:07 AM
As always, thanks for the input.
Hmm - this is quite tricky. The basic idea of "Synchronization" is that (ideally) everything is synchronized everywhere - wiht one click of a button. Asking to sometimes have PDFs available on one platform but not others could be a real challenge. This is sort of what we have tried to accommodate in the current implementation of the iPad app - to help save space in iPad memory. But it is a one-way solution and, as everyone can see from the feedback, not a particularly satisfactory one.
We need to think about how we can try to make this more flexible.
Jason Rollins, the EndNote team
02-13-2013 12:19 PM
Well, on my outlook, I select the folders I want access to when I am on the road, and updated on my laptop, and others, that I CAN access if I need them, but requires me to vpn in or webmail in. Couldn't there be a Group specific choice that synchs those that are needed, but not them all, or could be retrieved from the cloud. Also, on my(soon to disappear Blackberry, frown) phone I can chose if I want to synch one way or the other or both... with outlook. .. But I am not an iPad user, so not sure how these translate to that device.
02-13-2013 12:34 PM
Thanks for the feedback. And yes, I'm sure that it's a little tricky. But in a way, there already is one-way synchronization in that the pdf attachments on my PC are not automatically uploaded to my iPad (unless their corresponding references are designated as favorites). Naively, would it not be possible to have the process work in reverse? That is, do not sync pdf attachments (or lack of) if a reference is not designated as a favorite? That way, once a reference is undesignated as a favorite, its attached pdf files could be deleted without affecting the desktop version. Or something like that.
02-13-2013 01:20 PM
Improving PDF file attachment handling is one of our top priorities for improving the iPad app and something the team is working on now. We are hopeful that we can accomodate the various workflows suggested here. A few caveats however:
- Remember that we need to pick a default and that - by default - file attachments cannot be both synchronized everywhere at once and also only be located in some select places - the default needs to be one or the other and no matter which we pick all customers will not necessarily be happy with it.
- We are being very responsive to input for the app - in less than two weeks since launch of the EndNote for iPad app we have already pushed out one update to the app store, made substantial improvements to the EndNoteSync services, and have another update in beta testing that we hope to get to Apple in the next few days.
- What is described in this thread is very likely months of work and not something we can push out in a few days. So, a little patience will be appreciated as we work to improve the app and accommodate all of the input; trust that we are listening and working to get your ideas incorporated.
Please keep the suggestions and feedback coming and always feel free to reach out to me directly.
Jason Rollins, the EndNote team
[jason DOT rollins AT thomsonreuters DOT com]
02-13-2013 05:10 PM
Does anyone know if EndNote for iPad has Cite While You Write that will work with Pages on the iPad??? I want to be able to create and add to a bibliography as I work using Pages on the iPad...
02-13-2013 05:22 PM
Glad to hear about how the development will be proceeding for the next little while. A lot of thought and work has clearly gone into the app. I for one think that it works pretty well right now - certainly for the 1st version. And yes, of course, the things that we are all mentioning will require months of work. And it's true the syncing will be a tough issue. Satisfying all of the (sometimes contradicotry) requests will be impossible. Details aside, though, there is one thing that I think should not be part of the syncing - all of the pdfs should not be automatically uploaded to the iPad. Unlike for our desktops, space is at a premium on the iPad and loading it up with pdfs would be a non-starter for many users I think. For what it's worth...
02-15-2013 01:57 PM
For me, the whole point of having Endnote on the iPad is so that I can carry my PDFs around with me. I strongly feel that all attachments should automatically sync to the iPad. In fact, I have to confess that I am not imaginative enough to figure out why one would want Endnote on their iPad without the attachments, particularly since there is no Cite-While-You-Write functionality on the iPad (and I don't miss that-I use LaTeX).
As others have mentioned, I also think it's important that the annotations not be iPad-specific. And I will add another vote for SugarSync integration.
02-15-2013 10:18 PM
I'm excited about the potential for the app but I can't imagine really using it unless
1) it has the ability to read and annotate the PDFs connected with my Endnote Library (and sync those changes back to my computer). I really urge Endnote, if possible, to try to make seamless integration with iAnnotate and/or Goodreader rather than spending a lot of time trying to recreate the wheel.
2) it syncs really well with Microsoft Word for the iPad when it finally come out