06-20-2017 11:00 AM
I am sorry to say that after 20+ years of Endnote use and the recommendation to all of my students for this program as an essential graduate school tool, I find it increasingly difficult to recommend it any further.
While I appreciate that company's seek proprietary programming and one cannot accomodate all needs, the "black box" syncing system of EndNote for just one (1) library is dysfunctional and does not accomodate user needs, but simply strong arms users into the TR/Clarivate system.
Do you honestly expect users to create one, singular library for all research projects, sub-divided into "groups," that may entail 10,000 or more references and PDF's?
I completely understand that "the cloud" is not as straight forward as one would like to think, the TR/Clarivate system is not user friendly, nor does it enhance productivity vs. letting the user choose a path that enhances their productivity vs. being forced into a closed system and adjusting to drinking the TR/Clarivate system kool-aid.
Though you cannot accommodate all cloud systems, a factor that is likely muddled by ever-changing operating systems, it seems as though you could identify one cloud system outside of yours to enhance end-user preferences. Or, allow more than one library to be uploaded to your cloud.
The problem with your system is that it does not let you easily work across multiple computers. Personally, I work from home, work and on the road. It's 2017 for goodness sake. Allow users a cloud system that suits their needs rather than hamstringing us into a system that you perceive is robust, but is not.
I can honestly say that I have now been directly responsible for over 300 Endnote sales to my students. Unfortunately, I am taking EN off the table as a student recommendation and will seek other sytems more user friendly to an open cloud system.
06-20-2017 07:43 PM
You are totally right. I have been using EndNone throught the years and have recommeded it to my students. Now I work for an international organization with thousands of employees worldwide. But it is becoming difficult to recommend EndNote with enthusiasm as I did before. I have the impression that the developers or those who make the decisions about this program live in a bubble. I have called them a couple of times, and even posted a suggestion in the forum. But I haven't noticed any interest in solving these issues. So I join my voice to yours in the hope that someone with decision power at EN will act on this request.
06-22-2017 09:06 AM
Thanks for the support Ebsouza
As it was explianed to me Endnote will not give this any serious consideration unless enough users request or protest about it. Hopefully this will help gain some traction. I won't be surprised if we no on from EN responds.
If they do it will be in defense of the product relative to something "unique" that it offers. It's interesting that other groups can manage Dropbox, like Papers, however, I do find EN better as a whole for managing references and would like to see it evolve as we have discussed.
We also use Endnote in our research group.
The issue to be not able to work with Endnote in a cloud based storage is a killer, though.
The workaround to stop syncing is not practical. I have not used other citation managing programs but does anyone know a program that works well with e.g. Dropbox?
Papers works in Dropbox and also has a Pubmed search feature as well as the ability for citations.
However, like EN, you are allowed only one library. To be fair, I have only used the PDF storage and cataloging feature so cannot speak about searching and citations, though I intended to start since EN doesnt' work in Dropbox.
Or, maybe I'll try to find my license for an older version as everything up until to v8 worked fine in Dropbox and Sugar Sync for me.
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Maybe you were lucky before, because the reasons not to use dropbox have applied to every version of Endnote - ever. It is because it is an SQL database comprised of many folders and files which need to be saved and updated in a certain order. If it is open in more than one place, it will be corrupted.
I am sure you are right. Good to know. Thanks. Guess I'll leave (not) well enough alone and maybe some day TR/Clarivate will better facilitate the needs of scientists vs. forcing us into a poor platform (imo) which makes scientists adapt to the EN corporate model vs. actually meeting the needs of the scientist.